Mets all time win shares
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In the meantime, Piazza and Franco are finally done, and I imagine that players like Cliff Floyd may be starting to sniff the Mets top 25 all time win shares. Let's take a look. Yankees and Sox were done previously.
1. Tom Seaver - 266
2. Darryl Strawberry - 195
3. Howard Johnson - 169
3. Edgardo Alfonzo - 169
5. Jerry Koosman - 163
6. Dwight Gooden - 154
A kind of strange top 6. The two old-time aces who pitched together for the Mets, the two 80s stars / disappointments who will forever be linked, and more recent fan favorites HoJo and Alfonzo, who I'm surprised to see this high. Howard Johnson's 1989 season is the tops in Mets history; Alfonzo's 2000 season is 2nd.
7. Mike Piazza - 149
8. Keith Hernandez - 142
9. Cleon Jones - 141
10. Ed Kranepool - 132
10. (tie) Mookie Wilson - 132
Anyone else surprised to see Piazza so low? For perspective, his Mets win share total is less than Darren Daulton's for the Phillies. I find that very surprising. Meanwhile, Mookie did more than just hit a slow chopper down the first base line.
12. Bud Harrelson - 130
13. Jerry Grote - 116
14. Kevin McReynolds - 114
15. Lee Mazzilli - 104
Yep, when you've been around for less than 50 years, the all-time list deteriorates pretty fast. At least you have some failed managers in this grouping.
16. Sid Fernandez - 101
17. Jon Matlack - 99
18. John Franco - 98
19. Wayne Garrett - 97
20. Al Leiter - 95
Leiter's 1998 and 2000 were quite good, but he would compare unfavorably to a guy like Tim Wakefield for the rest of his years in Queens. Franco barely moved after 2001, he had been tied with Piazza at the time.
21. Rusty Staub - 93
22. Dave Magadan - 91
23. John Stearns - 89
24. John Olerud - 87
25. Tommie Agee - 86
Benitez couldn't quite get on to this illustrious list. So like I said, if Wright, Reyes, Beltran, etc. don't start climbing this list quickly, it will be a big disappointment.
If you're counting...
Cliff Floyd - 55
David Wright - 37
Jose Reyes - 34
Carlos Beltran - 23
Pedro Martinez - 18
Mr. Koo - 1
posted by Darlucky at 1/05/2006 01:53:00 PM
4 Comments:
It is no wonder there is only one Mets HOF player.
Very strange list. Hojo #3?
a couple things on Reyes i noticed from the hardball-times site. his total win shares was 17. that put him 16th among ML shortstops.
his Win Shares Above Bench (WSAB) was 3. "WSAB is a refined approach to Win Shares, in which each player's total Win Shares are compared to the Win Shares an average bench player would have received, given that player's time at bat, on the mound or in the field."
his batting win shares (12.4) put him 13th among ML shortstops, between edgar renteria (11.3) and Khalil Greene (12.9).
-O
but reyes is only 21. I don't believe he is the 2nd coming but he is doing a lot of learning at the ML level. That has to count for something.
I don't think I would trade him for anything.
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